Roll up flue pipe that has been pre-shaped using segmented curve rolling prior to forming the flue pipe shape for the first time. This helps to avoid damaging crinkles and makes the pipe easy to form in the future after heat treating with an alcohol flame lance.

Roll up flue pipe hand curving

This post is about the segmented rolling of curves into long pieces of titanium or stainless steel foil for making backpacking stove flue pipes.

Note: This is just one little part of a 12 part series on improved stove pipe rolling. You may wish to start at Part 1 as hors d’oeuvres and then taste from the banquet.

Introduction

A previous post dealt with rolling curves into short lengths of foil.  It should be read to give context to this post. The post was getting too long, so I decided to make this separate one on curving a long roll-up flue pipe for a backpacking tent heater/stoves.

It is a particular challenge if it is to be done very well. The need for good pre-forming of a flue pipe prior to the development of a new shape-memory by/heating is detailed in my post about heat memory shaping of roll-up flue pipes with an alcohol flame lance.

Briefly, the conventional method for forming a virgin roll up flue pipe is to force the foil into its new pipe shape and heat it ( I suggest inadequately) to have a new memory of this shape. This is done successfully without roller curving. However, this technique leaves the joining edges of the foil flat and poorly fitting together.

Examples of virgin pipe forming videos:

A. Solo forming, causing many sharp crinkles that will diminish the quality of the pipe over its long life. 

B. Two people rolling the pipe, causing fewer crinkles. 

C. A well-organized team of three people rolling the pipe and causing only a few minor crinkles.

While the last team forming of the pipe is good there is a better crinkle-free solo method that will be the subject of another post when available.

Infinite tube ‘roller’

Anvils, rubber pads and rolling rods for forming curves in titanium and stainless steel foils. From left to right: narrow steel anvil with narrow and thin sealed cell foam rubber pad, wide wooden anvil with wide and thin pad and wide and thick foam pad. Across the pads are a long and short hard steel rollers.
Anvils, rubber pads and rolling rods for forming curves in titanium and stainless steel foils. From left to right: narrow steel anvil with narrow and thin sealed cell foam rubber pad, wide wooden anvil with wide and thin pad and wide and thick foam pad. Across the pads are long and short hard steel rollers.

The poor fitting problematic edges of the strip of foil (titanium or stainless steel) and crinkling can be fixed by:

  •   pre-curving the edges (segment-wise) with a short roller,
  • using a moderately wide anvil (a wooden one in the above photo) and
  • using a thick sealed cell foam pad made from a portion of a sleeping mat (shown to the right in the above photos).

Starting on one side, at one end of the strip of foil, a partial curve can be rolled into the edge by using fingertip/hand pressure directly over the short roller. After completing the first sequence of overlapping rollings, further runs of rolling may be required to get the required curvature along the edge depending on the strength of your fingers/hands.

During the curving of the edges, the roller can be used to form some curving across to the middle of the strip. This is relatively easy to do and for me, it just happened more or less by accident. It will make the subsequent pipe formation very much easier.

Next, roll the other edge of the strip the same way, including the curving across to the middle.

“This requires a considerable effort that is delivered through only the fingers/hands. If you are like me it may make you sweat and I don’t sweat easily. So you will be excused if you have a cup of tea between rolling runs. However, I consider the effort is worthwhile as it can make a superior crinkle-free flue pipe that is easier to assemble in the bush on many trips.”

When both sides are strongly curved and the middle is gently curved (like a spoon drain shape), the long floppy strip of foil will change to a shape that is quite stable and much more suited and ‘willing’ to forming into a pipe shape when required. It will reduce the tendency to crinkle as shown in the three pipe forming videos above.

Flue pipe forming

After all this curving, the flue pipe should be formed as in video C. I prefer to use a lot more retaining rings to make the join line more even before the next heat memory treatment.

Using heat to establishing a new memory of the flue pipe shape 

Once the flue pipe is well-formed, its new shape can be thoroughly preserved by heat-treating with an alcohol flame lance. This treatment will make it ‘remember’ this new shape whenever you release it from the storage roll, as in the photo below.

Heat treatment by ‘using the flue pipe on a stove’ will work to some extent. The ‘heat memory’ can be improved by inverting the flue pipe to heat the other end. However, it will still leave the middle section of the flue pipe largely untreated.

An alcohol flame lance is a simple and cheap DIY tool that will allow heat treatment to be quickly and evenly applied to the entire flue pipe length. 

Roll up flue pipe that has been pre-shaped using segmented curve rolling prior to forming the flue pipe shape for the first time. This helps to avoid damaging crinkles and makes the pipe easy to form in the future after heat treating with an alcohol flame lance.
Roll up flue pipe that has been pre-shaped using segmented curve rolling prior to forming the flue pipe shape for the first time. This helps to avoid damaging crinkles and makes the pipe easy to form in the future after heat treating with an alcohol flame lance
Fully formed roll up flue pipe. There is only minor bulging of the joint between the holding bands.

Fully formed roll-up flue pipe. There is only minor bulging of the joint between the holding bands.
The 2m flue pipe rolled up in its storage tube, ready for backpacking.
The 2m flue pipe rolled up in its storage tube, ready for backpacking. The holding rings and top and bottom stabilizer rings are stored around the storage tube. The tongue protruding from the storage tube can be used to safely roll up the flue pipe without crinkling.

Tim

Addendum

The hand-rolling described above puts a heavy load on the fingers. Consequently, I came up with this simple ‘drag roller’ with a fat and soft handle. It can be comfortably held in one hand and the other hand can hold the work. It means that the full force of arm muscles can be applied to the work. It does not roll, but rather it can skid over the metal easily and still has the desired curving effect. I put a trace of olive oil on the skid surface to make the skidding even easier. “It is much easier to use than the roller.”

A drag roller for curving metal foils and thin sheet metal.
A drag roller for curving metal foils and thin sheet metal.

8 Comments

  1. Hi Tim, found your site searching for info on flues. I am in Tasmania Australia and am having a lot of trouble sourcing titanium of the sizes you mentioned in your blog. Would you pls consider sending an order overseas or advise of a supplier who would. I would also like to get some flu rings please. Cheers trevor

    1. Author

      Hi Trevor, Thank you for your enquiry. Tasmania just over the little ditch from Vic where I live. Lost count of my visit to your wonderful mountains.
      I would be delighted to supply you with foil and rings for your flue pipe.
      I can supply both titanium and stainless steel.
      The stainless steel is a little heavier (but not much in the scheme of things) and is considerably cheaper.
      I have:
      Titanium, hard alloy `0.12mm thick*~500mm wide and name you desired length X.y metre,
      Stainless steel, hard alloy `0.10mm thick*~595mm wide and name you desired length X.y metre,
      I can also provide cut strips of foil.
      I suspect that you are a tinkerer like me, you would like to buy a budget roll of the foil and cut your flue piece and have foil left for replacements and other ultralight gear projects.
      To give you an idea of my prices, the rings are $2.00 ea and the SS foil would be $42/metre for any portion over a metre (increments of 0.1m).
      I would be happy to sell you a dome stove or anything else.
      In my store it’s like the words of the song; “You can get anything you want, excepting Alice, at Alices Restaurant”.
      Please let me know your requirements and we can work out a good deal.
      Also, I am about to add a new post on an amazingly fast flue pipe pack up, that use those neat little rings. World record under 1 min roll up of a 2,200mm long flue pipe! How’s that.
      Regards,
      Tim

      1. Hi Tim, I had hoped to get back to you with my flue diam. but can’t measure the stove right now. I have already bought a gstove and had hoped to source one of your roll up flues to fit. Very impressed with the roll up dolly kit in your post. SS would do me okay as I am too old and knackered for backpacking now. Would be great to set up two flue guards, one in a tarp and the other on a vehicle awning. Would be great to chat briefly if you have time. Wasn’t sure if I should put ph no in the message or not. Perhaps you could drop me an email and I can get contact details. Appreciate your work and wrapped you’re in Vic, cheers trvor

        1. Author

          Hi Trevor, thank you for your reply. Best not to put your phone number in the post. Please use my contact form (On the right side of the top menu bar).
          It will keep your details confidential. We can discuss details there.
          Tim

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  3. Hey tim,

    Curious what spec titanium should it be, how thin and where do you get it. Also how much does a two meter pipe weigh?

    interesting blog!

    1. Author

      Hi Mike, Thanks for your enquiry. My specs are 0.12mm thick, hard titanium alloy. The weight depends on the pipe diameter and the width of the overlap. I am not at home to weigh one of my pipes, but as an estimate it would be about 320g for a 6’*3″ pipe with a generous 2.5″ overlap. The pipes I have made in the past have had much less overlap (~0.6″). I did this to reduce weight and importantly to reduce the length of the rolled up pipe so that it could fit inside my small stove. If this compact feature is not critical for you then I think the 2.5″ overlap will provide more stability, easier & more even curving & a better seal. I have ample titanium foil (0.12mm thick*400mm wide) and stainless steel foil (0.10mm thick*595mm wide) and would be happy to supply you with Ti, SS or both at a very good price. A simple solution would be to send you the full width roll/s for you to cut down to size. Most tinkerers will make good use of the off cuts. Sorry for such a long answer. Please send me a PM via my contact form that is available at the top rhs of the menu bar. We can discuss your particular requirements. I hope you are not in a hurry, as I will be away on another trip soon.
      Tim

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